Comments on: My thoughts on Oracle, Sun and Java http://www.formatexception.com/2009/04/my-thoughts-on-oracle-sun-and-java/ Ramblings on developing in the Windows World Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:45:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Developer Fatigue? | FormatException http://www.formatexception.com/2009/04/my-thoughts-on-oracle-sun-and-java/comment-page-1/#comment-111 Developer Fatigue? | FormatException Tue, 19 May 2009 17:24:28 +0000 http://www.formatexception.com/?p=216#comment-111 [...] now? Well, this survey struck a nerve for me. Maybe it’s because this has some fingers in my post about Oracle and Java. In that post I reveled in the fact that Microsoft is able to keep the .Net framework moving [...] [...] now? Well, this survey struck a nerve for me. Maybe it’s because this has some fingers in my post about Oracle and Java. In that post I reveled in the fact that Microsoft is able to keep the .Net framework moving [...]

]]> By: Brian http://www.formatexception.com/2009/04/my-thoughts-on-oracle-sun-and-java/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Brian Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:41:54 +0000 http://www.formatexception.com/?p=216#comment-107 @Andy, I agree, the changes with Collections is great. But the .Net framework had that back in 2005 when generics were added with the release of .Net 2.0. As far as the dependency management improvements .Net 1.0 fixed all it's similar issues back in 2002. I certainly don't intend this to become a .Net vs Java debate. That's not my point here. My point is that Java is moving forward so slowly it's stagnant. I don't know, maybe I've been spoiled with .Net. There is no doubt that .Net has it's weaknesses, one of the biggest being cross-platform support, kind of. In truth that really isn't too much of an issue with the Mono project. As they say on their website, "The Mono API today is somewhere in between .NET 2.0 and .NET 3.5". They are continuing to add features to bring it current with the .Net framework and are already working on .Net 4.0 features. Java as a language, in my opinion, is about 4 to 5 years behind the C# and .Net 3.5 which forces me to say again, Java is moving forward so slowly it's stagnant and I worry that under Oracle it will only get worse. @Andy,

I agree, the changes with Collections is great. But the .Net framework had that back in 2005 when generics were added with the release of .Net 2.0. As far as the dependency management improvements .Net 1.0 fixed all it’s similar issues back in 2002.

I certainly don’t intend this to become a .Net vs Java debate. That’s not my point here. My point is that Java is moving forward so slowly it’s stagnant. I don’t know, maybe I’ve been spoiled with .Net. There is no doubt that .Net has it’s weaknesses, one of the biggest being cross-platform support, kind of.

In truth that really isn’t too much of an issue with the Mono project. As they say on their website, “The Mono API today is somewhere in between .NET 2.0 and .NET 3.5″. They are continuing to add features to bring it current with the .Net framework and are already working on .Net 4.0 features.

Java as a language, in my opinion, is about 4 to 5 years behind the C# and .Net 3.5 which forces me to say again, Java is moving forward so slowly it’s stagnant and I worry that under Oracle it will only get worse.

]]> By: Andy http://www.formatexception.com/2009/04/my-thoughts-on-oracle-sun-and-java/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Andy Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:49:00 +0000 http://www.formatexception.com/?p=216#comment-106 I'm been happy with Java's road map and don't really see it as stagnant. Personally, I don't like too much change because of maintenance issues during upgrades. I think the recent changes with Collections have been huge and I look forward to the dependency management improvements in 7.0. Of course I say this with little understanding of the C# improvements over the years, so I can't really compare the two. I’m been happy with Java’s road map and don’t really see it as stagnant. Personally, I don’t like too much change because of maintenance issues during upgrades. I think the recent changes with Collections have been huge and I look forward to the dependency management improvements in 7.0. Of course I say this with little understanding of the C# improvements over the years, so I can’t really compare the two.

]]> By: Ayende Rahien http://www.formatexception.com/2009/04/my-thoughts-on-oracle-sun-and-java/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Ayende Rahien Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:42:48 +0000 http://www.formatexception.com/?p=216#comment-105 Brain, Just a note about C++ & C. Those are ISO standards, and as such, they can be changed once a decade. Brain,
Just a note about C++ & C.
Those are ISO standards, and as such, they can be changed once a decade.

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